00:07 Welcome to Six-Figure Trucker, the podcast where we share advice on how to be successful in trucking and have fun while doing so. We’ll share stories, news, and advice on how to earn six figures in trucking, and we’ll speak to guys and gals that are already doing so. Next, it’s your host, Justin Scott. Let’s get to the show.

00:30 So, here with me today, I have Josh Henley. He’s a driver for Norton Transport joining us on the Six-Figure Trucker today. Josh, how are you?

00:38 I’m doing well. How about yourself, sir?

00:40 Oh, doing well, Josh. Thanks for thanks for joining me today. Wanted to catch up with you. You’ve newer to Norton Transport, but you’ve certainly shined. You’re doing a fantastic job with us, and just want to learn a little bit more about you. So, what are you up to this week? What does Josh have going on this week?

00:58 Well, this week I’m transporting a truck to Houston. Then I’m going up to Columbus, Missouri to pick up a truck and take to Denver, then pick one up out of Denver and bring it back to Hanny. So, a bunch of cross country this week.

01:12 I was going to say, it sounds like you’re set up pretty well and I’ve noticed that and obviously with reliability and being able to commit to those type of runs you know, you have to be successful. So, is that a normal week for you or do you usually stay pretty booked up like that?

01:30 Well, since I’ve been with Norton, I’ve been booked since day one. It’s hard to stay not booked. So, yeah, I’ve been running pretty steady.

01:37 Good. Yeah, you got to make that money, right?

01:39 Yes, sir.

01:40 So, since you’ve been— So, how long have you been with Norton now?

01:43 I’ve been with Norton now for five months. I started in April.

01:46 Okay. So, running for five months. Obviously, you’ve been a go-to. We’ve seen your name on the top of the charts here and certainly want to talk about that and how you’ve been able to be successful with us for the 5 months, but let’s take it back a little bit. What did you do before you came over with Norton?

02:02 Well, before I came to Norton, I was driving motor coaches for a charter bus company.

02:06 Oh, okay. How long did you do that for?

02:08 I’ve been doing that since 2003. And because of the pandemic, it actually pushed me to doing driveaway.

02:15 Oh, great. Great. Well, what’s been your exper obviously there’s a you’ve got a lot of driving experience in that with driving motor coach, but what has been your experience with driveaway so far? And then you know what is what are some of the differences that that that you like or dislike from when you were driving motor coaches?

02:33 The difference for me I actually like the driveaway. I like the money. The money is very is really great if you’re not a manag. And I like the idea of being able to be my own boss. I work when I want to work. Work. If I don’t want to work, I don’t have to work. So, I like the freedom of the mo of the driveaway industry versus the motocross. With the motocross industry, when I’m out driving passengers, you pretty much have to stop when they want to stop. You know, you on their schedule versus being on your own schedule.

02:59 Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. You don’t really have any flexibility when you can or can’t go out. So, I certainly understand that. So, has that been better on family life because you can kind of take time off when you want and you can make your own schedule in a way? Actually, that’s been great. That I really love that about driveaway. Yes, sir.

03:17 That’s good. That is great. Yeah, I could see that. You know, that’s just been a been an ongoing theme, you know, just being able to get out there and have that flexibility. There’s a couple things I noticed about you, Josh. You I think looks like you run with a group of folks for the most part from time to time. Do you usually run with a group of people? Well, when I first started, I ran by myself and then I had a couple of buddies that signed on with Norton that was from out of the motocross industry that I told about the industry. We’ve been, you know, we been getting call about doing trips together. So, I put a little team together and we’ve been running stuff when you have multiple trucks need to be moved.

03:54 Oh, I like that. And there’s got to be some benefits, maybe cost benefits or just being able to have, you know, that camaraderie and that social aspect of it with being with co-workers. Are you guys able to save some money by doing things like that?

04:10 Oh, yes, sir. We’re able to save a lot of money doing it like that. Sometime we’ve even be able to get cheaper rates on the hotel rooms when they see we got more than one guy coming to get a hotel room. So, it’s been it helps out a lot.

04:22 Oh, yes. Yeah. That’s great. That’s great. But also the social aspect of it. I mean, the driver community, you know, especially driveaway, it seems to be a pretty tight-knit community. So, it’s probably pretty cool being out there with other folks and being able to share some of your experiences together, right?

04:39 Yes, sir. It is.

04:40 Yeah, I think so. So, are these folks that you drove with that were in the motor coach industry that you kind of recruited on and helped us out?

04:48 Yes, sir. We all drove together for various companies. Sometime we meet up down in Orlando together with different companies. We drive for, we hang out. So, it’s actually like bringing the motor coach industry over to the driveaway industry except now we’re just doing dealing with trucks.

05:02 Yep. Yep. Absolutely. What about money? Have you do you like that, you know, have you been able to see increase in pay or do you like the way the money is on the driveaway side?

05:12 Actually, the money is much better in a driveaway than it is charter bus. That’s why it’s going to be hard for me to go back if I had to. Well, we don’t want you to have to. I’ll tell that right now. So, what are some things, you know, I know, you know, you probably have a little bit more set schedules with motor coach. So, you know, probably starting out in driveaway from an expense standpoint, you probably over the past five months have had to learn different ways to save money. Is that something that you’ve kind of, you know, begin to get some good habits on or did you just start off already, you know, knowing the ins and outs of driveaway in terms of cost savings? Well, actually, I didn’t know about the driveaway side of it. But I knew I know the trucking industry because I also drove trucks when I was a lot younger. I had owned my own truck. So, I know the business side of the trucking industry and I just applied it to what I’m doing now on how to save and how to cut costs on a lot of different things. You know, how to use the different apps as far as booking hotels, looking for cheap fuel and stuff like that.

06:12 So, I already had a business mindset already and it just helped out. It helped out a lot more for what I’m doing now.

06:19 Yeah, that that will help out tremendously because, you know, as an owner operator, that’s something that you constantly have to look out for and you constantly have to cut costs and you know, be able to make sure that that you’re doing it for the right reasons and that’s revenue and money in your pocket. So, what are some things that that you do specifically to help cut costs outside of, you know, cheap fuel and cheap hotels and stuff? So what I do before I even plan to take a trip, I do a little trip planning on my end. Like I call my dispatch if I see something on board before I tell I want it. I look and make sure that there’s Ubers in the area, how much it would cost me to get a Uber from point A to point B, what the fuel cost would be for getting fuel in that area to make sure that it I can justify it to way I can at least once I finish with everything that I can occur at least 55 cents to 60 cents a mile off of doing a trip. Yeah, that’s great.

07:13 So, that that pre-planning aspect of it is a big important part of that. And I see, you know, a lot more folks are more successful when they have that mindset and they take that trip planning attitude.

07:25 Yes, sir. And then there’s a couple of apps that I h I use as well, you know, for my trips too before I take them. There’s an app called Gas Buddy, which is really good to find out what the fuel cost is in different areas that you’re going to be traveling in. So that’s a really big friend of mine that I use all the time. And then Price Line for my hotels and different stuff. So it’s just shopping around, you know.

07:49 Yeah. Being conscious of what’s out there. Now, do you take advantage of any you know, hotel reward points? Are you have any memberships or anything that that you have right now?

08:00 Oh yes sir. From driving motor coaches, I have so many points saved up that sometime I use a lot of points when I’ll be booking my rooms.

08:07 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That’s great. That’s another way to cut down cost too, I’m sure. So, you know, when you’ve been on the road and been on the road with Norton, you know, I’m sure you’ve ran into some crazy things in the motor coast industry and maybe even now in the driveaway industry. So, what’s what may be the craziest thing that’s happened to you when you were over the road?

08:28 A customer tried to force me to take a truck that wasn’t safe to take.

08:32 Oh, wow. Was that that was that with driveaway?

08:37 Yes, sir. With driveaway.

08:38 Oh, tell me more. What how’d that go down?

08:41 I was up in I went to Massachusetts. Actually, when it was like when I first started, I was in Massachusetts and the guy I went to a location to pick up a truck which was like a UPS truck. It was a old truck. So, I did my DOT inspection and walked around the truck and everything. So, the truck so rusted out and then I checked the brakes. It was rusted around the brakes and I seen residue of oil leaked on the ground. So, I went back and told the guy about it. Well, I called my dispatch and told her and I told her what was going on. So she told me to talk to the customer about it. So I went back and told him and he came he said I’m get my guy to look at it. So he had his guy to come out and look at it. So his mechanic like yeah this truck ain’t no good. I said yeah I know. So I went back and told the guy that was in charge. He said man if you don’t take this truck the customer going to be mad and I’m going to tell him you didn’t take the truck. I said well sir it’s not DOT ready. I can’t take this truck from Massachusetts all the way to New Orleans to Louisiana and have an accident.

09:28 So I’m sorry but I hate to tell you but I can’t take this truck. And he was I think he was really mad at me for not taking it.

09:33 And that’s a tough situation. You know, I think you know, obviously, you know, we’ve you’ve got to do what’s right for you, especially as an independent contractor and you know, a business owner, you know, you don’t want to have any accidents or be in a position to where somebody gets hurt or even put yourself in a position where you know, you’re broken down and there’s nothing you can do. So, yeah, I mean that that’s certainly understandable and I’m sure, you know, a lot of folks in the driveaway industry have been unfortunately have unfortunately encountered that situation before. I could imagine. Is there anything that you’ve seen over the road in terms of just crazy stories that that stick out to you when you were in the motor coach industry?

10:14 Yeah, I did a trip I was actually on my way to a trip to New York out of Shreveport, Louisiana. And I got up to Tennessee area. They had a big bear laying out in the middle of the road.

10:24 A bear?

10:26 A big a black bear laying out in the middle of the road. Yeah. That was very interesting to me because I never seen it before. And just to be riding on the highway and see a Baron metal road, that was pretty exciting.

10:38 Yeah, that’s insane. What did you I mean, did he get out of the way or did what did you do?

10:43 No, they actually— Well, I was kept on the road. They had people out there to try to get the bars picked up and out the road and stuff.

10:50 I wouldn’t be out there.

10:52 It was amazing. But I kept on go kept on rolling.

10:55 Yeah.

10:55 Trying to get my cuss what I had to be.

10:57 The things you see. But you got to get the job done, right? Yes, sir.

11:01 I understand that. So, you mentioned something a minute ago about, you know, you contacted your dispatcher let them know about, you know, you had this customer that was you know, that wanted you to take a truck that wasn’t necessarily DOT ready. How important is that relationship with the dispatcher when you’re in driveaway?

11:22 My dispatcher is my best friend. I actually I got to honestly say that I love my dispatcher. She is really good and our relationship is a teamwork effort. You know, I feel like she have my best interest at heart, but I’m out here on the road and like I told her before, I never ever in my life has been as on the road for over 20 years had a dispatch dispatcher like her before.

11:44 And that’s so important. And you hit the nail on the head. Have your best interest in mind. And that’s so important in a dispatcher driver relationship, you know, because the that that’s, you know, you know, he or she has to be an advocate for you. You know, they have to have your back and know you know, what you like, what you don’t like, things that are going to make it easier on you. And basically just that just to make sure that they’re out there making it easy on you as they can because you’re out there grinding. If you’re if the wheels don’t turn on your end, then nobody’s earning, right?

12:17 That’s right. So, what are some things that your dispatcher does for you?

12:21 She actually help me with my trip planning. If I have a problem and I call her with a problem, she find a solution to get it done. She’s man, she’s just amazing. She does everything for me. She does like if I’m on a trip, like if she know I’m heading to Houston right now, you can rest assured she’s already trying to find me something in the area or no more than three hours away to get to pick up something else so I can keep the wheels turning. And that’s very important because we have a low boy to access stuff like that for ourel, but I feel like she goes above and beyond for us as drivers that that’s under her and I really appreciate her.

13:00 Well, that’s great. That’s amazing. And I can’t wait to share that with her, of course. But, you know, and I think that’s one thing about it is, you know, you’ve got the load board and it’s convenient and you can go on there and you can access, you know, request loads, but you know, you’re driving, you’re busy. Right now I imagine you’re probably in the middle of traveling to your next load. So, you know, you don’t always have a lot of time to constantly look at the load board. So, you know, if you know that you’ve got somebody there that’s watching you, trying to connect the dots, trying to make sure that they set you up, man, that makes it easy, don’t it?

13:32 Yes, sir. It really does.

13:34 Yeah, that’s awesome. So, are you in between pickups right now? Are you traveling somewhere to pick up your truck?

13:42 I’m actually sitting still right now, but I’m ahead. I’m actually in my truck already. I’m heading to Houston with it to drop it off to a customer I picked up out of Fourth Work, Texas this morning. So, I’m heading to Houston to drop this one off. Then I’ll be catching a flight from Houston up to Missouri to St. Louis.

13:58 Constantly moving.

14:00 Yes, sir.

14:02 Oh, good deal. Good deal. Well, what do you do? So, what do you do as for food? You know, I always talk to drivers. We always share different stories, but you know, one of the main things that’s it’s hard to, you know, get a good healthy balance going out there. You know, I’m a foodie, so when I travel or when I go places, I always like trying new things or, you know, trying different restaurants with the same things that I always like to eat. What are some things that you enjoy in terms of food or what are some ways that you, you know, you try to be healthy when you’re out on the road?

14:32 Well, I eat it probably about once a day, then I snack throughout the day. Like today, I had a burrito. That was my first meal for the day, which was at 12 o’clock when I got it. And I probably won’t eat anymore until I get to St. Louis tonight. I get to the airport. Probably find like a little snack, like a little sandwich or apple or something to eat on and just keep on rolling.

14:54 Just keep rolling. So you almost you know, it sounds like sitting down and enjoying a meal slows you down.

15:01 Yeah. I be moving so much I don’t really have time. So, so what I do, I find it easier to either get a chick some chicken a Subway sandwich.

15:10 And if I can get those soon, I know I can keep rolling and get to where I got to be on time and safe to get on to my next trip.

15:16 Is there a place that you like to visit or, you know, somewhere that you’ve been either with Motor Coach or with driveaway? Is there a particular place that you think’s got the best food out there when you’re rolling?

15:28 Well, to be honest with you, Houston has the best restaurants to me, if you ask me. There’s so many different restaurants that you can get all kind of food in Houston.

15:38 Yeah, you can get anything you want. What’s your favorite food?

15:41 I love I’m a big seafood eater.

15:43 Oh, yeah. Me, too. Me, too. Big time. So, what about places to see? So, what about scenery? You know, what’s your, you know, outside of food, what’s your favorite place to visit or favorite place to drive through? You know, where are some places you really like going?

15:58 I like going I like Colorado when it’s not snowing. Denver is really nice and over the last couple of months I have fell in love with doing a trip from North Dakota down to Colorado. So nice scenery coming through that way.

16:13 Oh, I bet. Yeah, we went out I was out in Denver this year or early summer and it was my first time visiting Denver and the weather was just beautiful. I know it gets cold in the winter, but we were out there and you know, no humidity. I’m here in Georgia so always a lot of sticky high humidity. So that weather out there was perfect. I loved it.

16:32 Yeah.

16:33 It’s going to start getting cold soon though.

16:34 Yeah. It’s supposed to be snowing out tonight.

16:36 Yes. Exactly. Exactly. So so so what is your f what do you see in your future with Norton? Do you enjoy this? You think you want to continue to do this? Do you see longevity in the driveaway industry?

16:49 Yeah, I can see myself doing this for a long period of time. I’m comfortable with it. I have learned how to manage and make it work for me. The main thing I’m waiting on now is just let’s see when a snow period hit and see how does it operate, you know, especially like during the winter months. I’m really not big on drive. I could drive in snow, but I prefer not to drive in the snow.

17:09 Sure.

17:10 So when the winter time hit, I’m going have to adjust to I guess routing myself in different ways of making it work for myself. But I can see myself doing this for some years to come.

17:20 A that’s great. Yeah, I could imagine. You know, and I know, you know, from our side, you know, when it comes to winter, trip planning is obviously something that you already do and you work with your dispatcher and that does become a little more tedious when, you know, you’re trying to avoid, you know, snowstorms and different things like that that’s out there. So, yeah, that that is something that have to learn to manage. What about what has been the hardest thing so far in the driveaway space that you’ve had to learn to manage?

17:47 To be honest with you, nothing actually. Everything’s been so easy. Norton make Norton makes it easy. My dispatcher, when I say my dispatcher is great, she makes my job easy. So, I don’t have nothing to really complain about us being hard, finding it to be difficult with doing that.

18:01 Yeah, that’s great to hear because we certainly want to want to be sure that we’re doing a good job for you guys out there for sure. What is your favorite thing about Norton so far?

18:13 I don’t feel like I’m just a number at Norton. I feel like I’m family. Yeah, I think that’s important, you know, you know, to have that relationship and to know, hey, you know, you guys are appreciated. You know, it’s tough out there, especially when you’re dealing with getting into situations where you’ve got trucks that are not DOT ready and you know, you want to make sure that the company you work for has your back. For sure.

18:35 Yes, sir. And Norton, I feel Norton has my back. I can honestly say for example when my grandmother passed away a couple weeks about a month ago when I got to the to my dad’s hometown which was Lockhart Texas my came to was like hey I think your job some flowers blouse but to the funeral home and sure enough y’all had sent some flowers to the funeral home and that really meant a lot to me no money could amount to that so that really set the standard.

19:03 Absolutely. Well I’m certainly you know sorry for your loss but that does mean a lot. But I mean it’s you know that dealing with a family member loss that’s the toughest thing. So it is important to know that that your employer cares you know that’s and we do you know that’s for sure. That’s always tough to deal with. So talk to me about your fa what kind you know you’ve done motor coaches you’re doing now with driveaway doing different types of trucks. What’s one of your favorite things to drive? Or do you have something out there that you prefer when you’re load planning or when you’re going into a load? What is it that Josh is looking for?

19:39 A tractor with a sleeper on it.

19:44 I understand that. I understand that 100%. So, do you do I mean do you and do you enjoy the I mean obviously you’re a professional driver, but you know there’s perks of driving, but what are some things that you do to keep your mind busy? I mean, are you big phone guy? You do you listen to are you more of a radio guy? You more of a podcast guy? What are some things that you do on the road to keep you busy while you’re driving?

20:12 I put on my Spotify and just listen to music while I’m rolling. I’m a big guy. I love music. So, I put some good music on and just roll and look at the great creation of the earth, you know, and that helps me stay awake.

20:24 Yeah, there’s a lot of benefits to being out there on the road. What’s your favorite music right now? What are you listening to right now?

20:30 Well, I was listening to some R&B when you called me some R&B music and I like jazz.

20:36 Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love that. I love good jazz. You’ve been to you ever get to catch any concerts or anything while you’re on the road or is it all is it does Josh stay business?

20:47 Well, when I was driving buses, I used to drive entertainer coaches, so I got a chance to go to a couple of concerts and also I played in a band, too. So—

20:56 Oh, okay.

20:56 Music is what I do. So, I’ve been to quite a few concerts to watch and perform.

21:02 What do you play? What instrument do you play?

21:04 I play drums.

21:05 Drums. Awesome. Awesome. That’s awesome. Well, so when you said motor coach, so you actually drove like entertainers. It wasn’t just passenger buses. It was enter people in—

21:17 Entertainers as well.

21:18 Oh. Is there any probably can’t go down this road, but was there any stories you could tell about I’ve heard, you know, VH1 behind the music? I’ve heard some crazy stuff. Yeah, I got some stories, but I just cannot share. Yeah, I thought that might be the case.

21:40 But I some stories out there though. It’s crazy.

21:44 They probably like make do they make you like sign a privacy thing?

21:48 Actually, they actually make the first client I drove— Well, not my first client, but first company that ever made me sign an affidavit was when I drove Chris Brown back in 2007.

21:58 And they said for me not to really talk about what was going on while we was out and stuff like that. And that was the first time I ever signed a waiver. But with other customs, I never had signed a waiver before. But I, you know, I’m a type of guy, you know, with me being in the entertainment industry as well myself, I know the dos and I don’t. So I just don’t do it. You know, I have customers people will come up to me want to know who I’m driving—

22:21 Off of me all kind of stuff, you know, to know who it is or to see who it is. And I would tell them, “No, that’s I mean, I can’t do that.”

22:26 Yeah. That’s you know, that’s great. You know you want to people need their privacy you know and you got all these entertainers out there they don’t you know want all their stuff getting out so that’s very noble of you and respectful that that you’re able to do that well you know a transition a little bit you know what so so what got you into driving you know what was the one thing that you decided you know what I want to be a driver I want to join this community of heroes and I want to get out there on the road—

22:56 When I was a kid I seen my grandfather and my uncles, they all they drove trucks and worked out in the transportation industry with driving and mainly they all drove trucks and I wanted to be a truck driver as a kid. You know, it always been my dream to be a truck driver to drive a limousine, fly a plane, sell a boat, drive a bus. So, I’m really just following my dream.

23:19 That’s great. That’s great. Living the dream out there. And I’ve noticed that, you know, a lot of it’s multigenerational. You know, driving is, you know, even with Norton, you know, it’s a multigenerational business. And you know, it the drivers that I speak to usually there’s a rich history within the trucking world. And you know, you know that lifestyle, you’ve been around that lifestyle, you know, the benefits. I mean, is that you get to I mean, you’re traveling for a living. It’s work, but you’re traveling, right?

23:47 Uhhuh. So, is there anything that you would look back at your younger self when you first started into driveaway or when you know, you know, were thinking about being a truck? Is there any advice that you wish you could go back and tell your younger self?

24:03 Yeah. I wish I would have took it more serious back then and being more businessminded, you know, when it came to managing money management, looking for better deals versus jumping on the first thing you see.

24:16 Yeah, I could see that. Especially you and you were an owner operator for how long?

24:20 I was owner operator for about four years.

24:23 Oh wow. Wow. Yeah. That that that becomes tough and it’s very important to be out there managing money and like it sounds like with what you do you know you don’t you know spend a lot on food or it sounds like you know you’re frugal with you know paying attention to money savings and is that because of you know that being an owner operator and having to maybe learn some stuff the hard way if you will?

24:45 Yes sir. And that’s exactly the reason why.

24:48 Yeah. Because it, you know, you’re a contract employee, so you’ve got you know, you’ve got to make sure you save your receipts and turn everything in and there’s so much that goes into it. So, I can definitely see how being an owner operator has helped you on the road.

25:02 Yes, sir.

25:03 Well, have you ever driven into or out of Canada before?

25:09 No, sir. Never. That’s, you know, that’s something that we talked a little bit about last week. And I always just find it interesting to hear folks’s stories about where they’ve gone and what they’ve done. And what’s the most interesting place that you’ve driven to whether it be interesting in the people or the drive or the scenery or whatever it may be?

25:30 I like I’m very I like Seattle, Washington. Seattle, Washington is a very beautiful state during the springtime when all the snow is melting off the side of the mountains. I went there years ago when I was driving trucks and when I first seen it, I fell in love with it.

25:44 Oh yeah. Yeah. It’s beautiful out there. And have you been able to go recently?

25:49 I had opportunities but I turned it I declined it.

25:53 Ah well that’s another cool thing about it, right? You get to choose.

25:57 Yes sir. Well, you know, I know you love the flexibility and, you know, I just want to say, you know, we’re glad to have you and you’re doing a fantastic job out there and, you know, we’re glad to have you as a part of Norton. Glad to have you on the Six-Figure Trucker Show. Is there anything else that that you’d like to share out there with other folks that may be looking to get into the driveaway industry? What are some benefits that you see or just other drivers in general that to share about driveaway and your experience?

26:25 Yeah, come to Norton Transport. Where all your dreams come true.

26:32 Where all your dreams come true. And if you need help, you got people here to help, you know, including myself. I’m only a phone call.

26:38 I was going to and I was going to say, it sounds like you’ve been able to, you know, connect with drivers and help them. You know, that’s important to be in that that that community mindset when it comes to other drivers. So, I want to say thank you to that because you’ve actually reached out to drivers yourself, right? Yes sir.

26:57 What are some things that that you share with them when you do that?

27:00 Well, they ask me I give them I tell them, you know, first of all, you know, the best way to do it and to be successful because I have a lot of guys ask me is to learn how to trip plan. And if you plan your trip out, everything to go can go great. And then also being mindful of the different discounts that we have out there as far as fuel costs, hotels, and different stuff like that that they need to download on their phone to have different apps to help them with their trip plan.

27:29 Yeah, that’s important. I mean, that’s important. You know, it’s very important to trip plan and to get all that stuff together and they can see how you’ve been successful. You’re successful with your money. You’re making more money and you’re doing the right things to do that. So, that’s awesome. And then they also have two a couple of Facebook pages that help us out help out too where guys share information on Facebook just for driveaway drivers. And that’s that becomes very helpful as well too. Yeah, that that goes back to social media. You know, it’s just it’s such a tight-knit community and being able to have those resources readily available or, you know, maybe somebody’s, you know, in an area that they need help with or somebody’s been there and they can help them or maybe somebody needs a ride or maybe somebody has a truck and they need to know a little bit more information about it because they’ve never driven it before.

28:18 Yes, sir.

28:19 Yeah. In the world of social media, things are certainly so much easier. Well, well, Josh, I you know, I know you’re moving, you’re grooving, and I’ve taken up too much of your time already, but you know, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for being on the Six-Figure Trucker. You’re doing a fantastic job. Thank you for being a Norton driver, and we certainly appreciate all you do. Six-Figure Trucker is brought to you by Norton Transport. Norton Transport is a driveaway trucking company that customers can rely on. It offers excellent independent contract driving opportunities to professional, courteous, and qualified drivers that can provide the kind of service we deliver. If you’re interested in learning more about Norton or just want to subscribe to the show, check out Six-FigureTrucker.com. That’s Six-FigureTrucker.com.